2005 Honda Odyssey SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC

DT*: THE CONTACT STATED THERE IS A LOUD GRINDING NOISE HEARD WHILE APPLYING THE BRAKES. EXTRA PRESSURE IS NEEDED ON THE BRAKE PEDAL TO SUFFICIENTLY STOP THE VEHICLE. THE DEALERSHIP HAS INSPECTED THE VEHICLE FOUR TIMES AND DETERMINED THE PROBLEM CANNOT BE DUPLICATED.

INTERMITTENT GRINDING NOISE FROM FRONT AND REAR BRAKES, ASSOCIATED WITH DELAYED STOPPING AND BRAKE FEELING "SOFT". DEALER STATED "GRAVEL IN BRAKES". UNABLE TO REPRODUCE AT DEALERS. MULTIPLE TRIPS TO DEALER AND FINALLY REPRODUCED. INFORMED THAT WAS CAUSED BY FAULTY BRAKE PADS AND HONDA NEEDED TO DEVELOP IMPROVED PADS. 9 MONTHS BEFORE DEALER INFORMED ME THAT NEW PADS WERE AVAILABLE, DESPITE MULTIPLE CALLS AND VISITS TO THE DEALER. ALL FOUR PADS AND ROTORS REPLACED. IT FEELS LIKE A NEW BRAKING SYSTEM. *JB

GRINDING, PULSATING HARD TO STOP BRAKES AT 8500 MILES. HONDA STATED NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. ISSUE GOT WORSE AND FINALLY AFTER 13 ATTEMPTS THROUGH 2 DEALERS AND THEIR CUSTOMER RELATIONS LINE, I FILED WITH THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU. IT WAS DEEMED IN THE ARBITRATION HEARING THAT THESE BRAKES WERE INDEED A SAFETY ISSUE. POOR BRAKE PADS WHICH CAUSED WARPED ROTORS ARE DANGEROUS. VEHICLE DOES NOT STOP TIMELY. SOMEONE WILL GET KILLED. HONDA IS WELL AWARE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE BRAKING SYSTEM ON THE 2005 AND 2006 ODYSSEY (MY PARENTS HAVE A 2006). WHEN I FIRST REPORTED IN APRIL 05, HONDA SAID THEY NEW OF THE PROBLEM, BUT CONTINUED TO SELL DANGEROUS VEHICLES. SUPPOSEDLY AS OF MARCH 06 THEY HAVE THE NEW PADS. IT SHOULD BE MANDATED THAT THEY NOTIFY EVERY 05 & 06 ODYSSEY OWNER AND ADVISE THEM OF THE POTENTIAL PROBLEM. PLEASE MAKE HONDA DO THIS BECAUSE THEY WON'T ON THEIR OWN. ACCORDING TO HONDA'S OWN WEBSITE "HONDA GENUINE BRAKE PADS YOUR HONDA'S ABILITY TO BRAKE PROPERLY AND RELIABLY IS OBVIOUSLY OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE FOR THE SAFETY OF YOU AND YOUR PASSENGERS." THEY ADVERTISE THAT THE VEHICLE IS THE SAFEST, BUT IT IS A DANGEROUS FAMILY VEHICLE. DOES A FAMILY HAVE TO DIE BEFORE HONDA DOES THE RIGHT THING? *NM

UPDATE TO CASE #10155801: SINCE VEHICLE HAD BEEN SITTING FOR OVER TWO MONTHS AND HONDA DID NOT WANT TO FACE THAT VEHICLE HAS SAFETY ISSUES - I DECIDED TO HAVE VEHICLE TOWED TO THE OTHER SHOP IN TOWN FOR A SECOND OPINION. I DROPPED VEHICLE OFF TO HAVE BRAKES DONE W/ OTHER WARRANTY ISSUES AND 9 DAY LATER I PICKED UP VEHICLE AND THEY INSTALLED THE 1ST DESIGN BRAKE PADS. THE ONES WE HAD GRINDING, PULSATING, LOSS OF PRESSURE AND BRAKES THAT WOULD LOCKED UP. I CAN NOT WAIT - GIVE IT A FEW THOUSAND MORE MILES AND HERE I GO AGAIN -- THE FIRST BRAKE PROBLEMS ALL OVER AGAIN. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THE BRAKE ISSUES BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT OR EVEN KILLED. *NM

CONTINUOUS BRAKE PROBLEMS! 1ST PROBLEM STARTED IN JUNE 05' @5600 MILES - GRINDING NOISE, PULSATING AND HARD TO STOP VEHICLE. TOOK VEHICLE TO DEALERSHIP AND WAS UNABLE TO DUPLICATE. SERVICE WRITER EXPLAINED THAT --BRAKE DUST-- WAS THE PROBLEM. 2ND MAJOR PROBLEM - IN SEPTEMBER BRAKES WERE MAKING THE LOUD GRINDING NOISE - WHEN APPLYING BRAKES MODERATELY - LT. FRONT BRAKE LOCKED UP AND SKIDDED 78 FEET. VEHICLE WAS TAKEN IN @ 8600 MILES AND 1ST DESIGN BRAKE PADS WERE RE-INSTALLED. 3RD PROBLEM - TWO WEEKS LATER - BRAKES WERE GRINDING NON-STOP. TOOK VEHICLE BACK IN SHOP AND THEY REPLACED AGAIN WITH 1ST DESIGN BRAKE PADS AND ROTORS.. -- 2ND DESIGN TO BE PRODUCED IN LATE OCTOBER-- 4TH PROBLEM - BRAKES PROGRESSIVELY GOT WORSE DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER 05 @11,000 MILES - TOOK VEHICLE BACK INTO SHOP FOR THE 2ND DESIGN BRAKE PADS AND NEW ROTORS. -- WAS TOLD THAT NEW DESIGN WAS A -- SOFTER -- BRAKE PAD. -- WHEN DRIVING HOME - PULLED UP TO GARAGE DOOR AND VEHICLE ALMOST DID NOT STOP - ** HARD BREAK PEDAL WHEN DRIVING AT SLOW SPEEDS ** SEEM TO NOTICE EVEN MORE WHEN TURNING. 5TH PROBLEM - TOOK VEHICLE BACK TO SHOP A WEEK LATER, TO CHECK OUT BRAKE SYSTEM - UNABLE TO DUPLICATE. 6TH PROBLEM- TOOK VEHICLE BACK INTO SHOP IN DECEMBER 05 - BRAKE WERE INTERMITTENT NOT STOPPING VEHICLE - NUMEROUS TIME I HAVE ALMOST REAR ENDED VEHICLES IN STOP AND GO TRAFFIC. -- SHOP WAS UNABLE TO DUPLICATE. 7TH PROBLEM - TOOK VEHICLE BACK AGAIN IN LATE DECEMBER WITH 14,000 MILES - SHOP STILL UNABLE TO DUPLICATE PROBLEM. TWO WEEKS LATER WHILE DRIVING THROUGH A PHARMACY DRIVE THROUGH - MY WIFE AND I EXPERIENCED BRAKE FAILURE AGAIN - THIS TIME MY WIFE HAD TO RUN OVER CURB TO AVOID HITTING VEHICLE IN FRONT OF HER. ** DAMAGED THE FRONT BUMPER ** AND MY WIFE REFUSES TO DRIVE VEHICLE WITH THE --SAFETY-- ISSUES THAT IT DOES HAVE.. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE -- -- VEHICLE HAS BEEN SITTING NOW FOR OVER TWO MONTHS -- NOT DRIVEN -- AND STILL MAKING CAR PAYMENTS. *NM

2005 HONDA ODYSSEY: GROANING AND GRINDING NOISE WHEN BREAKING ESP WHEN DRIVEN FOR A LONG TRIP. BREAK STOPPING DISTANCE INCREASE. COMPLAINED TO HONDA BUT HONDA SAID ITS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. WHEN BREAKING AND NOT STOPPING IS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE PLEASE INVESTIGATE. *NM

LOSS OF BRAKES MOVING FOREWORD SLOWLY AFTER BACKING UP A NUMBER OF TIMES AT A SUN CITY POSSE GARAGE SALE. I KNOCKED DOWN A TABLE BUT NO INJURIES THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I HAVE LOST BRAKING MOVING VERY SLOWLY(LESS THAN 5 MPH) BUT I CAN NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE DETAILS THE FIRST TIME. THERE WERE MANY POSSE WITNESSES. *NM

DT*: THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING 60MPH THE VEHICLE RAN OVER ROAD DEBRIS. A SHORT TIME LATER THE WHEEL SPEED SENSOR ERROR LIGHT ILLUMINATED INTERMITTENTLY. UPON INSPECTION THE DEALERSHIP DETERMINED THE FRONTAL DRIVER SIDE WHEEL SPEED SENSOR WAS MISSING.

THE BRAKE MAKES AN LOUD GRINDING NOISE WHEN EVER IT GETS HOT OR WHENEVER I COME DOWN HILLS. IT HAS HAPPENED A LOT OF TIMES AND I AM NOT SIRE IF THE WILL BE A LOSS OF BRAKING POWER OR SOMETHING. *JB

DT*: THE CONTACT STATED WHILE APPLYING BRAKE PRESSURE AT VARIOUS SPEEDS, THERE WAS A LOUD GRINDING NOISE. THE VEHICLE WAS SEEN BY THE DEALER. THE DEALER DETERMINED THE PROBLEM WITH THE BRAKES WAS NOT A SAFETY RELATED DEFECT, BUT AN ONGOING ISSUE THE MANUFACTURER ATTEMPTED TO REDESIGN. THE MANUFACTURER HAS A NEWLY REDESIGNED BRAKE PAD, BUT IT IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR THE NEWLY MANUFACTURED VEHICLES THEREFORE NO REPAIRS OR CORRECTIONS WERE MADE. UPDATED 03/17/06. *JB

MY BRAKE FLUID IS LEAKING FROM THE FRONT CALIPERS OF MY BRAND NEW VAN. HONDA HAS REPLACED THE PADS TWICE AND THE CALIPERS ONCE ALREADY. I HAD TO ADD OVER A PINT OF FLUID TO GET THE LIGHT TO GO OFF - IT IS NOW LEAKING OUT AGAIN. IS THIS NOT A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE? I GET LITTLE CONCERN FROM MY DEALER OTHER THAN A REMARK TO BRING THE THING BACK IN AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH NO EXPLANATION OR PERMANENT FIX. *JB

BRAKE FAILURE. CAR SENT IN FOR REPAIR IN AUGUST 2005 (DEALER GAVE A HANDOUT EXPLAINING WHY BRAKES WERE NOT A PROBLEM), SEPTEMBER 2005 (DEALER REPLACED BRAKES), BRAKES FAILED JANUARY 17, 2006. MY HUSBAND COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED. *JB

RIGHT FRONT BRAKE MAKES A GRINDING NOISE WHEN BRAKING. CAR IS UNDER WARRANTY, BUT DEALER REFUSES TO REMEDY THE ISSUE AS THEY ARE STATING A REMEDY IS BEING SUPPLIED BY HONDA WITHOUT COMMITMENT AS TO WHEN IT WILL BE ADDRESSED. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE.*JB

WHEN I APPLY THE BRAKES FAIRLY HARD (BUT NOT SLAMMING THE PEDAL TO THE FLOOR), THE FRONT BRAKES SOUND LIKE THEY ARE GRINDING. I HAVE TAKEN IT BACK TO THE HONDA DEALER TWICE WITH THIS COMPLAINT AND THEY SAID THEY HEAR THIS COMPLAINT REGULARLY AND ARE WAITING ON HONDA TO ADDRESS IT. THE DEALER CLAIMS THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO. *NM

(1) WE WERE DRIVING TODAY ABOUT 35 MPH AND THE SIGNAL LIGHT TURNED RED. WE PROCEEDED TO STOP AND OUR BRAKES STARTED MAKING A GRINDING/CLUNKING SOUND. IT ALSO PREVENTED US TO SLOW DOWN OUR VAN NORMALLY....IN OTHER WORDS....INCREASED THE DISTANCE BEFORE OUR VAN STOPPED. (2) WE JUST ABOUT WENT INTO THE 4-WAY INTERSECTION, BUT WE DIDN'T. (3) OUR DEALERSHIP HAS LOOKED AT OUR BRAKES A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND DID NOT FIND A PROBLEM. THEY SPOKE TO A COUPLE HONDA ENGINEERS WHO WERE AWARE OF THIS ISSUE WITH OTHER 05 ODYSSEY MINIVANS. THEY STATED HONDA IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION TO FIX THIS ISSUE AND THE ISSUE DOES NOT EFFECT THE VANS STOPPING PERFORMANCE. THIS IS NOT TRUE AS I HAVE HAD SLAM ON MY BRAKES A FEW WEEKS BACK DUE TO SOMEONE PULLING OUT IN FRONT OF ME AND IT DID THE SAMETHING WITH THE GRINDING/CLUNKING. I ALMOST HIT THE OTHER CAR DUE TO THE INCREASED BRAKING DISTANCE. THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER 05 ODYSSEY ON HTTP://WWW.ODYCLUB.COM/FORUMS THAT HAVE THE SAME BRAKING ISSUE. WE HAVE HAD THIS ISSUE ABOUT 7 TIMES NOW. HONDA NEEDS TO RECALL THESE BRAKE PADS/CALIPERS OR WHATEVER IS CAUSING THIS BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT OR KILLED!!! *JB

2005 ODYSSEY WITH 10K MILES EXPERIENCING LOUD GRINDING UPON MEDIUM TO HARD BRAKING. MOSTLY OCCURS WITH IN TOWN DRIVING AFTER BRAKES HAVE WARMED UP. WILL OCCUR MULTIPLE TIMES IN A ROW AND THEN NOT BE HEARD AGAIN FOR WEEKS. THIS HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES AND I HAVE TAKEN IN INTO HONDA 2X'S TO FIX THE PROBLEM. THEY SAID THEY HAVE DRIVEN IT AND HEARD NOTHING. THEY CHECKED PADS AND ROTORS AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. AFTER BEING TREATED LIKE I WAS CRAZY I RETURNED TO THE DEALERSHIP AND ASKED TO HAVE A SERVICE MANAGER RIDE WITH ME WHEN THE PROBLEM WAS APPARENT. HE HEARD THE PROBLEM AND AFTER CONSULTING WITH A SHOP FOREMAN STATED THAT HONDA WAS AWARE OF THE PROBLEM BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THEY COULD DO ABOUT. THE PROBLEM CONTINUES AND I HAVE NO OPTIONS OF FIXING THIS UNTIL HONDA FIGURES OUT WHAT TO DO.*JB

I PURCHASED A NEW 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY LX IN SEPTEMBER 2004. I HAVE EXPERIENCED MULTIPLE INCIDENTS IN WHICH THE BRAKES MAKE A VERY LOUD GRINDING NOISE WITH NORMAL BRAKING THAT SEEMS TO BE COMING FROM THE FRONT BRAKES. THE SOUND AND FEEL IS LIKE THERE IS METAL GRINDING METAL FROM THE STEERING WHEEL. WHEN THE GRINDING OCCURS, BRAKING POWER IS MINIMAL. THE GRINDING OCCURS MORE FREQUENTLY IN CITY DRIVING AFTER USING THE BRAKES MORE OFTEN. ITS ALMOST LIKE THEY HEAT UP AND GET STICKY??? THE SCARCITY EXPERIENCE WAS COMING DOWN A HILL TO A RED LIGHT AT 15 MPH, MY FAMILY WITHIN, COMING TO A MAJOR ROAD, AND THE FEELING OF THE VAN NOT STOPPING SCARED ME TO DEATH. THE GRINDING ISSUE HAS RESULTED IN LOSS OF BRAKING ABILITY BUT NO LOSS OF CONTROL. AS I HAVE FOUND HERE, I AM PART OF A GROWING COMPLAINT FROM OTHER NEW ODYSSEY OWNERS WHO HAVE COMPLAINED AND EXPERIENCED THIS SAME PROBLEM. DO NOT KNOW IF THIS MATTERS OR NOT, WHEN THIS OCCURS, I CAN GO AND COOL THE BRAKES WITH WATER AND THE SENSATION WILL DIMINISH AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE. IT SEEMS TO BE GETTING MORE COMMON AS TIME IS CONTINUING. I HAVE BROUGHT THIS ISSUE TO MY DEALER, BUT THEY ALWAYS JUST SAY THAT THEY DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING. SAME OLE SAME OLE....*NM

DURING MODERATE BRAKING, THERE IS A CLANGING NOISE FROM THE FRONT RIGHT BRAKE. THIS IS APPARENTLY A KNOWN ISSUE TO HONDA FOR THE 2005 ODYSSEY, BUT WAS DEEMED NOT A SAFETY ISSUE BY INTERNAL ENGINEERS. THEY ARE PENDING A SOLUTION. HOWEVER, ON TWO OCCASIONS, MOST RECENTLY ON 11/6/05, I HAD TO BRAKE HARD, AND THE LOUD NOISE OCCURRED ON THE FROM RIGHT BRAKE, ASSOCIATED WITH SWERVING OF THAT SIDE. THIS INDICATES TO ME THAT BRAKE IS NOT FUNCTIONING OPTIMALLY. THE DEALER WAS NOT ABLE TO REPRODUCE THE SWERVING. *NM

I PURCHASED 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY VEHICLE ON MAY 31, 2005. BY AUGUST THE VAN HAD BEEN DRIVEN APPROXIMATELY 3000 MILES WHEN I NOTICED THAT THE BRAKES HAD STARTED MAKING SCRAPING NOISES. IT SOUNDED AS IF THERE IS SAND OR DIRT ON THE BRAKE PADS. ALSO, WHEN THE BRAKES WERE USED TO MAKE A SUDDEN STOP THE FRONT BRAKES WOULD GRIND. IT WAS INTERMITTENT AT FIRST, BY 5000 MILES IT HAD BECOME A REGULARITY WHILE BRAKING. I REPORTED THIS TO MY DEALER AND WAS TOLD HONDA WAS AWARE OF THE PROBLEM AND WAS WORKING ON A SOLUTION. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING TO DATE. *NM

DT: THE CONTACT STATED THE BRAKES MADE A BAD NOISE. THE NOISE BECOME MORE FREQUENT WITH TIME. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALERSHIP MULTIPLE TIMES, AND THEY DETERMINED IT WAS CAUSING GROOVES IN THE ROTORS. THE NOISE CAME FROM THE BRAKE PADS. HOWEVER, THE MANUFACTURER HAS NOT REDESIGNED THE PADS. THE DEALERSHIP STATED THE VEHICLE WAS SAFE TO DRIVE. THE MANUFACTURER TOLD HER TO TAKE THE VEHICLE TO ANOTHER DEALERSHIP FOR A SECOND OPINION. THIS HAS NOT BEEN DONE. *AK

I PURCHASED A NEW 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY EX-L IN OCTOBER 2004, AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED MULTIPLE INCIDENTS IN WHICH THE BRAKES MAKE A VERY LOUD GRINDING NOISE WITH MEDIUM HARD BRAKING. THE GRINDING OCCURS MORE FREQUENTLY WITH PROLONGED STOPS, SUCH AS WHEN DRIVING DOWNHILL. THE GRINDING HAS NOT RESULTED IN ANY APPARENT LOSS OF BRAKING ABILITY OR LOSS OF CONTROL, BUT I AM AWARE OF QUITE A FEW OTHER NEW ODYSSEY OWNERS WHO HAVE COMPLAINED OF THE SAME PROBLEM.*AK

WHEN BRAKING, SEVERE GRINDING NOISE RIGHT FRONT. DEALER SAID CALIPERS WERE LEAKING ON TO PADS CAUSING NOISE. REPLACED CALIPERS AND PADS. LASTED A WEEK, SAME NOISE, DEALER AGAIN REPLACED PADS AND CALIPERS. SAID THEY HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS BUT DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS HAPPENING. NOT A SAFE CONDITION. *NM

I JUST PURCHASED A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, IT CURRENTLY HAS 500 MILES ON IT. LAST WEEK, THE ABS, VSA, AND BRAKE LIGHT CAME ON. I HAD IT TOWED INTO THE KOONS HONDA DEALERSHIP IN MANASSAS FOR REPAIR. I WAS NOTIFIED THAT THE VSA CONTROL UNIT WAS BAD, HOWEVER THEY COULD NOT REPAIR IT BECAUSE THE PART IS ON INDEFINITE BACKORDER FROM HONDA. THEY STATED THAT THEY HAD NO IDEA IF THE PART WOULD TAKE DAY, WEEKS, OR MONTHS TO GET IN. THE DID STATE THAT MY CAR WAS 'SAFE' TO DRIVE, HOWEVER IT WOULD NOT HAVE ABS, VSA, BRAKING ASSIST, OR TRACTION CONTROL UNTIL THE VSA MODULE IS REPLACED. THIS DOES NOT REFLECT 'SAFE' IN MY EYES, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE WEATHER WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TOMORROW. COULD THIS NOT POSE SOME TYPE OF LIABILITY ISSUE FOR HONDA IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN PREVENTED IF THE SAFETY FEATURES WERE ACTIVE. I ASKED THE DEALERSHIP IF THERE WAS ANY PROBLEMS GETTING NEW ODYSSEYS FOR SALE AND THEY SAID 'NO', THAT THEY HAD A REGULAR FLOW OF THEM COMING IN. SO HONDA, OBVIOUSLY PRIORITIZES THAT THE VSA CONTROL UNITS ARE FIRST SLATED FOR NEW VEHICLES, AND HAS NOT ALLOCATED ENOUGH FOR POSSIBLE ISSUES ON SOLD VEHICLES. I HAVE CONTACT HONDA THROUGH THERE 1-800 NUMBER AND THE CASE HAS BEEN ESCALATED TO A CALL MANAGER THAT I AM WAITING TO HEAR FROM. *AK