2016 Honda Civic Brakes

AN ERROR MESSAGE KEEPS COMING UP ON MY CENTER CONSOLE, WARNING OF AN "ELECTRIC BRAKING PROBLEM." THE RED BRAKE LIGHT TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT ALSO FLASHES. THIS ALWAYS HAS HAPPENED WHEN I TURN THE VEHICLE ON. WHILE THIS MESSAGE IS DISPLAYED, I AM UNABLE TO MOVE THE CAR FORWARD OR IN REVERSE. I HAVE ENGAGED THE PARKING BRAKE, AND THE MESSAGE DISAPPEARS. THIS HAS HAPPENED THREE OR FOUR TIMES OVER A PERIOD OF MONTHS SINCE I BOUGHT THE CAR. I PURCHASED IT IN SEPTEMBER 2016 AS A NEW VEHICLE FROM A DEALERSHIP IN ALEXANDRIA, LOUISIANA. IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN A RECALL ANNOUNCED THE MONTH AFTER, BUT I BELIEVE THAT RECALL SHOULD BE EXPANDED.

MY CAR WOULD NOT START AND ON THE DASHBOARD UNDER THE MPH IT SAID ELECTRONIC PARKING BRAKE PROBLEM. AFTER PLAYING AROUND WITH THE PARKING BRAKE A BIT, THE CAR EVENTUALLY STARTED. UPON LOOKING UP MY VIN IT SHOWS I DO NOT HAVE A RECALL ON MY CAR FOR THE KC6 RECALL, BUT MY CAR SEEMS TO BE AFFECTED. PLEASE HELP.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 HONDA CIVIC. WHILE DRIVING 5 MPH, THE BRAKE PEDAL WAS DEPRESSED, BUT IT WAS DIFFICULT TO SLOW OR STOP THE VEHICLE. WHEN THE VEHICLE WAS STARTED, A "BRAKE SYSTEM FAILURE" WARNING MESSAGE APPEARED. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO AUTONATION HONDA THORNTON ROAD (LOCATED AT 1979 THORNTON RD, LITHIA SPRINGS, GA 30122, (770) 674-6078) WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE BRAKE SOFTWARE NEEDED TO BE UPDATED. THE SOFTWARE WAS UPDATED; HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 30,000.

REAR WHEELS LOCK INTERMITTENTLY. EXCESSIVE REAR ROTOR WEAR, WITH NORMAL WEAR ON PADS. APPEARS AS IF PADS HAVE WORN OUT ALLOWING FOR GRINDING AGAINST ROTORS. HOWEVER, PADS EXHIBIT NORMAL WEAR. HONDA OFFERS NO EXPLANATION FOR CORROSION. FOR COMPARISON HAVE ATTACHED PHOTOS OF REAR ROTOR AND FRONT ROTOR. REAR ROTORS EXHIBIT SIGNIFICANT WEAR/CORROSION WITH PAD LIFE AROUND 60%. THIS IS EQUAL ON BOTH REAR WHEELS OF THE VEHICLE. FRONT ROTORS HAVE NORMAL WEAR @70% PAD REMAINING. CALIFORNIA BASED VEHICLE, BUT EXPOSED TO SNOW AND WINTER DRIVING. REAR WHEELS LOCK ON AN INTERMITTENT BASIS, AS IF REAR PARKING BRAKE IS BEING APPLIED. POTENTIALLY VERY DANGEROUS, ESPECIALLY IN COLD WEATHER DRIVING.

THE ELECTRIC PARKING BRAKE CONTINUES TO GENERATE ERROR CODES. I'VE HAD IT IN SERVICE AT HONDA DEALERS MULTIPLE TIMES FOR THE SAME PROBLEM. HONDA EVEN ISSUED A RECALL HOWEVER, I'VE HAD THE SOFTWARE UPDATE FOR THIS PROBLEM TWICE AND IS STILL MESSING UP. IT HAS ENGAGED THE PARKING BRAKE ON ITS OWN.

BREAKING SYSTEM RECALL NOT PERFORMED BY HONDA DEALERSHIP, EVEN WHEN ASKED AND TALKED ABOUT. ASKED SERVICE MEMBER AND THE GENERAL MANAGER, BOTH TOOK A "DO NOT CARE" APPROACH. I FEEL THIS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED. THIS IS ROPER HONDA IN JOPLIN, MO.

MILO GORDON HONDA MISREPRESENTED THE REPAIR OF A SAFETY RECALL AND SOLD A 2016 HONDA CIVIC AS A NEW VEHICLE WITHOUT COMPLETING THE REPAIR. ON DEC 31 2016, I PURCHASED A NEW 2016 HONDA CIVIC FROM MILO GORDON HONDA IN LAWTON, OK. TODAY, SEP 1, 2017, MY ELECTRONIC BRAKE SYSTEM MALFUNCTIONED IN A STATIONARY POSITION ON A CROSS-COUNTRY TRIP. AFTER THE MALFUNCTION, I TOOK THE VEHICLE TO ORR HONDA OF PARIS TX WHERE I DISCOVERED THE RECALL OF 2016 HONDA CIVICS. ORR HONDA CONDUCTED A VIN INQUIRY THAT SHOWED THE SOFTWARE UPDATE WAS COMPLETED ON OCT 12, 2016, PRIOR TO MY PURCHASE OF THE VEHICLE; HOWEVER, THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT TESTED MY PHYSICAL VEHICLE AND THE REQUIRED UPDATE TO THE BRAKE SYSTEM WAS NEVER MADE. IT APPEARS MILO GORDON HONDA UPDATED THE VIN DATABASE WITHOUT EVER REPAIRING THE ACTUAL CAR, THEN PROCEEDED TO SELL IT AS A NEW VEHICLE. AFTER THIS DISCOVERY, ORR HONDA UPGRADED THE ELECTRONIC BRAKE SYSTEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECALL ISSUED IN 2016. (PHOTOS ATTACHED)

REAR HIGH MOUNT BRAKE LIGHT COMING OFF WINDSHIELD THE EVENING I TOOK DELIVERY OF VEHICLE. TOOK IT BACK TO DEALER WHERE THEY TRIED TO REATTACH IT. THE REPAIR LASTED A DAY. THEY ORDERED A NEW ASSEMBLY AND TRIED TO ATTACH IT. THE ASSEMBLY WAS UNGLUED BEFORE I GOT HOME. IT HAS NOT YET COME FULLY OFF, BUT IT IS A DISTRACTION AND, WHEN USING THE BRAKES AT NIGHT, OBSCURES MY VISION THROUGH THE REAR WINDSHIELD. DEALER SAID THIS IS A KNOWN DEFECT AN ARE WAITING ON HONDA OF AMERICA TO COME UP WITH A REPAIR. VERY POOR ENGINEERING ON HONDA'S PART AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IF/WHEN THE THING COMES FULLY OFF. I WAS DRIVING HOME THE FIRST TIME I TOOK NOTICE OF THE PROBLEM. THE CAR WAS STATIONARY WHEN I NOTICED IT THE SECOND TIME. I DON'T THINK MOVEMENT WAS A FACTOR, JUST POOR DESIGN AND ADHESION. *TR

I PARKED MY 2016 HONDA CIVIC IN MY GARAGE AND SET THE PARKING BRAKE. I EXITED THE VEHICLE AND WALKED INTO THE HOUSE. THE VEHICLE MUST HAVE ROLLED OUT OF THE GARAGE (GARAGE SURFACE IS RATHER FLAT, PROBABLY WHY I DIDN'T SEE THIS HAPPEN) DOWN MY SLOPED DRIVEWAY ENDED UP IN THE NEIGHBORS YARD. VEHICLE SUSTAINED DAMAGE TO THE EXHAUST, BUMPER, UNDERSIDE OF TRUNK AND RIGHT REAR TIRE. THANK GOODNESS THAT NOBODY WAS INJURED. AT THE TIME I THOUGHT MAYBE I MADE A MISTAKE BUT NOW THAT HONDA HAS ISSUED A RECALL ON THE PARKING BRAKE I UNDERSTAND WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. I DID SET THE PARKING BRAKE BUT IT APPEARS THAT IT DID NOT EVER SET. I HAVE SINCE SEEN THIS HAPPEN AGAIN WHEN I HAVE PARKED ON OTHER SOMEWHAT FLAT SURFACES AND RETURNED TO MY VEHICLE AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH IT HAD MOVED A SMALL AMOUNT. WITH THE RELEASE OF DETAILS IN THE SAFETY RECALL (NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 16V725000 ) I NOW UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

ELECTRONIC BRAKE FAILURE - TURNED VEHICLE ON IN DRIVEWAY, BRAKES LOCKED. CAR TOWED. HONDA HAS A WORK AROUND PROCESS TO AVOID THIS. I READ POSTS THAT THIS OCCURRED TO PEOPLE WHILE DRIVING ON HIGHWAY. I DO NOT FEEL SAFE IN THIS CAR. HONDA DOES NOT HAVE A FIX FOR THIS PROBLEM.

WHILE DRIVING ON A MAIN ROAD AT SPEED LIMIT ON CR 201 IN FLORIDA (WEST OF I-95 WHICH IS A SECONDARY, MAIN, PAVED ROAD) MY EMERGENCY BRAKE ENGAGED AFTER I ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE BUTTON ON THE CONSOLE. MY VEHICLE IMMEDIATELY SLOWED AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED AND VEERED OFF THE ROAD TO THE RIGHT. ONCOMING TRAFFIC ALSO VEERED AWAY AND FOLLOWING TRAFFIC HAD TO USE EVASIVE MEASURES TO AVOID COLLISION. WHEN I BOUGHT MY NEW HONDA, I ASKED THE SALES REP IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE AND HE (RAY AT COGGIN HONDA) SAID "ABSOLUTELY NOT" AND EXPLAINED (PARAPHRASED) THAT SAFETY PRECAUTIONS ARE IN PLACE TO ELIMINATE ANY PREMATURE OR ACCIDENTAL EMERGENCY ENGAGEMENT OF THE EMERGENCY BRAKE WHILE IN GEAR AND WHILE DRIVING.

I RECENTLY PURCHASED A 2016 HONDA CIVIC EX, FOUR DOOR. I WAS DRIVING TO WORK YESTERDAY MORNING AT 5 AM. I HAD APPROACHED APX 56 MPH AND THE VEHICLE STOPPED ACCELERATING, ACROSS THE DASHBOARD SCREEN WAS A BLINKING RED STATING, BRAKE SYSTEM FAILURE. ! KEEP IN MIND, THIS VEHICLE IS BRAND NEW I HAVE LESS THAN 5,000 MILES ON IT ! AT THE TIME OF THE SCREEN ON THE DASH BLINKING WHAT SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN AN EMERGENCY BRAKE DEPLOYED AS I WAS DECELERATING CAUSING ME TO COME TO A STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HIGHWAY! LUCKY FOR ME THERE WAS NO ONE BEHIND ME, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TURNED FATAL. I PULLED OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY TO TRY AND RELAX. I TURNED THE CAR OFF. TURNED IT BACK ON THE BRAKE SYSTEM WAS STILL BLINKING SAYING FAILURE. I TURNED IT OFF AGAIN AND BACK ON AND THE LIGHT HAD STOPPED BLINKING. I ATTEMPTED TO DRIVE AND I DID, JUST THINKING IT WAS A FREAK THING. ON MY WAY INTO BOSTON, THE DASH LIT UP AGAIN WITH THE SAME MESSAGE. WHEN I WAS SAFE IN A PARKING LOT I CALLED HONDA AND HAD MY CAR TOWED, AT THIS POINT I NO LONGER FELT SAFE DRIVING MY VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO THE CLOSEST HONDA DEALERSHIP IN BOSTON. AS OF YET, THEY HAVE NOT DECIDED WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT. IF I GET UPDATES I WILL UPDATE THEM. THE LAST I HEARD IS THAT THE ELECTRONIC BRAKE SYSTEM MODULE HAD FAILED. HOW CAN THIS BE , WHEN THE CAR IS NEW ? HOW CAN I HAVE FAITH DRIVING MY VEHICLE , THAT THIS WON'T HAPPEN WHEN I AM IN TRAFFIC AND CAUSE A SERIOUS WRECK? DEALING WITH HONDA CORPORATE HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE! FOUR HOURS WORTH OF PHONE CALLS FOR THEM TO SECURE ME IN A RENTAL SO I AM SAFE DRIVING. THIS IS CRAZY! I AM SADDENED. HOW CAN A BRAND NEW CAR HAVE A FAILURE WITH THE BRAKE SYSTEM ?

CAR IS EQUIPPED WITH A "BRAKE HOLD" FEATURE THAT CAN BE ACTIVATED TO HOLD BRAKES ON WHILE THE CAR IS IN DRIVE WITHOUT KEEPING YOUR FOOT ON THE BRAKE, AND THEN PRESS GAS TO START MOVING. FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS, I HAVE BEEN DRIVING AND WHEN I COME TO A COMPLETE STOP, I CAN HEAR THE BRAKE HOLD CLICK ON WITHOUT IT BEING TURNED ON (THERE WOULD BE AN INDICATOR LIGHT ON THE DASH), TO TEST IT I TOOK MY FOOT OFF THE BRAKE AND THE CAR DID NOT MOVE EVEN THOUGH THE BRAKE HOLD WAS NOT ACTIVATED. SOME OF THESE TIMES, THE BRAKE HOLD WOULD COME ON, I WOULD TAKE MY FOOT OFF THE GAS TO SEE IF IT WAS DOING IT, AND THEN 5-10 SECONDS LATER THE BRAKE WOULD RELEASE AND THE VEHICLE WOULD START TO MOVE WITHOUT ME DOING ANYTHING, AND WITHOUT ANY INDICATOR ON THE PANEL. THE BRAKE HOLD FEATURE STILL WORKS FINE WHEN I TURN IT ON, ALL LIGHTS WILL COME ON AND OFF WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO, BUT THE CAR SEEMS TO HOLD THE BRAKES WITHOUT ME ACTIVATING THE FEATURE, AND THEN THEY DO NOT HOLD UNTIL I GIVE THE CAR GAS, POTENTIALLY RELEASING THE CAR TO MOVE BEFORE I AM READY FOR IT TO IF I AM EXPECTING THE BRAKES TO BE HELD. THIS ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THE VEHICLE IS STATIONARY AND COMES TO A COMPLETE STOP, BUT THE UNEXPECTED RELEASE WILL CAUSE THE VEHICLE TO START MOVING SUDDENLY.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 HONDA CIVIC. WHILE ATTEMPTING TO DRIVE THE VEHICLE, "BRAKE SYSTEM FAILURE/ALL BRAKES ARE LOCKED UP" APPEARED ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHERE THE BRAKE CODE WAS RESET; HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED. IN ADDITION, THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN BACK TO THE DEALER BUT WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 9,000.

THE ELECTRIC EMERGENCY BRAKE FAILED. THE CAR WAS PARKED, IGNITION TURNED OFF, EMERGENCY BRAKE APPLIED, AND LEFT THE VEHICLE. WHEN I RETURNED, THE CAR HAD ROLLED BACKWARDS DOWN A ROAD AND SLAMMED INTO ANOTHER PARKED CAR CAUSING DAMAGE TO BOTH VEHICLES. NO INJURIES RELATED TO THE ACCIDENT. POLICE REPORT IS NOT AVAILABLE YET. WE FOUND ABOUT THE RECALL THAT WAS ISSUED IN MID-OCTOBER BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED/CONTACTED YET.